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Saturday, July 31, 2004

More on the priest-nun car sex romp

I mean, wouldn't it be more moral if that priest and that nun (see previous post) just married instead of copulating in a car (and that other eminent clergy representatives did the same instead of indulging in even more squallid situations)?

Wouldn't they do their job better and in a more balanced, healthy way, instead of being in heat for nuns and altar boys?

Or they just cannot do it without the thrill of committing a sin, the freaking perverts?

And they use the excuse of Satan. How imbecile. They all should be treated, most of them are freaking sick.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/31/04 19:38 | link |
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A BBC article:

By Raphael Tenthani
BBC correspondent in Blantyre

 

A Catholic priest and nun have been convicted in Malawi for making love in an airport car park.

The 43-year-old priest and 26-year-old nun were caught "in the act" in a tinted saloon car parked at Lilongwe International Airport.

"It was a bizarre spectacle, the public alerted airport police after noticing the car shaking in a funny way," police spokesman Kelvin Maigwa told the BBC.

The pair received a suspended six-month jail sentence with hard labour.

A nun

The nun was allowed to put on her habit after being arrested


Remorse

In a packed and giggling court-room, both the priest and the nun pleaded guilty to the charge of indecent behaviour in a public place and disorderly conduct.

The nun tearfully told the magistrate she regretted her brief lapse in judgement, while the priest said that as a man of God he accepted Satan had tempted him.

Magistrate Arthur Mtalimanja accepted their pleas in mitigation, but admonished them saying that as servants of God they were the last to be expected to misbehave in public.

"I therefore sentence you to six months imprisonment with hard labour, but I will suspend it... because you have shown remorse," he said.

The two were first noticed at the airport by eyewitnesses as they parked the car and wound up the tinted windows.

"We thought they could be rushing for a plane that was about to take off but we were surprised that they never got out of the car," said a taxi driver.

After being arrested, the nun was allowed to put on her habit, Mr Maigwa said.

The priest was dressed in civilian clothes, he said.

If the couple repeat the offence in the next 18 months they will go to jail, the magistrate said.

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Other articles on the same episode:

Priest and nun convicted after car romp (Reuters)


MY COMMENT

That people are stupid enough to be caught in public while having sex (sometime for the thrill of it, technically "exhibitionism") is not such an exceptional piece of news. And because of the rights that others have to not be exposed, maybe while walking with their children, to the fire of passion of two lovers, or to other types of behaviour considered indecent in our culture, we have laws that establish exactly what indecent behaviour is.

But the facts mentioned by the article are somewhat peculiar as the couple involved are a priest and a nun. Two servants of God. Who are supposed to be chaste. Of course it is an established fact that at least 50% of priests are not celibate, but have sex in a clandestine way, hypocritically. Often, likely, accompanied by a sense of shame and guilt (or maybe not at all?). But this couple of Catholic servants of God went a bit too far to the opposite situation of not hiding their copulations, and justly incurred in the rigours of law.

Let's concentrate on the interpretation of the facts given by the pair to the magistrate (stress is mine):

"The nun tearfully told the magistrate she regretted her brief lapse in judgement, while the priest said that as a man of God he accepted Satan had tempted him."

Be sincere. What was your first reaction when reading such explanations from these two representative members of the Catholic clergy? I bet it was an uprorious laugh for the ridicule of them. Bullshit can have this effect of surreal and ridicule.

But after the laugh for this umpteenth episode of Catholic fun it is opportune to analyse their statements more in depth. When thousands of priests and nuns have sex, to them it is because they are either subject to "lapse of judgements" or "to the temptations of Satan, as humans". They don't say "we had sex because we are human, and however hard we try we just cannot make it to be chaste". No, of course not! That would be as if the sexual features of humans were acknowledged! In the Roman Catholic Church's psychotic and dissociated vision of sex - unhealthy and absurd, far from any modern notion given by science and psychology - if two religious people have sex it is not because humans are sexual beings, it is because Satan tempted them or because of a lapse of judgement!

In other words, the only thing that is admitted in the very concept of a human being is one's invisible, angel-like, pure and immaculate soul. All other manifestations that are part of the carnal nature of human beings, and associated to the biological mechanisms of gratification (pleasure) are deprived of legitimacy. If they occur - this emerges from the words of these clergy people - it is because of something wrong, a vice, a 'a lapse of judgement' or, worse, a 'temptation of Satan'.

Pay great attention to the above, because it is really an example of the pathological dissociation inherent in Catholic teachings, an example of the denial of the carnal reality of human beings and, in general, of the tangible world, typical of Catholic teachings. And it goes without saying that such a denial not only is unhealty but in contrast with all that modern science has established as regards human beings.

Suppose that instead of sex we were talking about the biological drive to eat, and some religious sect were saying: "feeding youself is bad, we don't need that, we are pure souls" (of course Catholics don't go that far, although practices of flesh mortification - some use whips and cilices - and fasting, not uncommon, show a relationship with the material world which is, at best, conflictual, and of psychiatric relevance). If somebody came out with such a bizarre view, saying we shall refuse food as it shows an unholy attachment to the physical world, would you not think they are barking mad? Well it is exactly the same. Sex is a natural drive which Catholics teachings have hard time to come to terms with and that since the times of Augustine and Gregory of Nyssa has been associated to sin. How not to see a pathogenic factor in this?

Why do we have to put up with people like that, who despite their alienation and ignorance, can spread their dissociated views in our society? Hasn't the time come in 2004 that some enlightened legislator closes all Catholic schools, or at least prevents young people from entering such schools and churches, so that if people want to be brainwashed they may do it when adults instead of being groomed in idiocy since birth?

Why do we have to put up with this sick presence, with this spreaders of dissociation and Middle-Age mentality with their flaunted, 'poetic' "Theology of the Body" which should really really called "Sick Theology of Angels", since the 'theologians' of the Roman Catholic Church are great at describing angels, devils and inexistent human beings but cannot claim at all to have reliable knowlege of true biological beings and should therefore shut their gob?

Will the time arrive for the Catholic Church to review and change all this, realize their idiotic stands on sex and on clergy celibacy?

Surely recurrent episodes of sex amongts Catholic clergy may appear good for a laugh (and at least in this case no altar boy is involved), they also constantly feed the kinky streaks of humanity. Perhaps Catholic religion is but a big excuse for kinky sex, perversion and queerness: first they create barriers so they can have fun to break them with a thrilling sense of sin! But isn't all this pretty sick?

posted by JoeLondon at 07/31/04 13:46 | link |
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Friday, July 30, 2004

Tiziano Terzani












Tiziano Terzani (in the picture from the Corriere della Sera) died today. Well-known journalist and writer, expert of the East, author of A Fortune-Teller Told Me, he also wrote Letters against the War (India Research Press) a book which had 'strange' problems finding a British or American publisher at the onset of the Iraqui war, despite the high reputation of the writer, and despite the fact that the book had already been a success in various countries in the the world.


















Because of this, the author decided to release a free English edition in the Internet (available,
here or here [direct link to the University of Pisa]). The book also reached some English-speaking readers in its printed form by an Indian publisher, India Research Press.

You can read a presentation of the book on the Guardian,
here. Other books by Tiziano terzani are available in book shops, also online.


































posted by JoeLondon at 07/30/04 02:39 | link |

Thursday, July 29, 2004

Education and indoctrination

"Incidentally, I despise everything
which merely instructs me without
increasing or immediately
enlivening my activity."
-
Goethe, quoted by Nietzsche

Upbringing and education require a certain amount of gullibility and trust but should keep a door open for the transcendence and questioning of what is taught, should suggest the provisional nature of human constructions always liable to be passed beyond or perfected.

Unfortunately, very often this does not happen, nay independent thinking is disencouraged, despite all pedagogical theories regarding the utility of problematising the notions taught. And the line between indoctrination and culture is very thin. Just like the line between afflicted and/or self-afflicted stupidity or sheepishness and a mind open to change and to difference.

Truly, education is too important to leave it to educators, parents and - God forbid - priests. Fortunately there are books. But hopes are challenged by utterly dim-minded people who enjoy blacklisting and censoring, even books like Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain.

A good antidote against such examples of tardness, and the negative potential of indoctrination intrinsic in traditional upbringing and schooling system, would be reading Nietzsche. One could start from the following:

On the Use and Abuse of History for Life

On The Genealogy Of Morals

The Gay Science (just in case: the word 'gay' happens to have various meanings).

Thus Spoke Zarathustra

But you can find other interesting books by Nietzsche online: here and here.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/29/04 16:09 | link |
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Tuesday, July 27, 2004

Handy credulousness

Religion is the main road to arbitrariness. Only in the case of religion do we have pretense of absolute truth without the burden of evidence.

Blurred by a well-tested millenary show of solemnity, incense fumigations, sissy movements of flute-voiced gowned ministers about magnificent altars with golden items, complacent haughty words echoed in churches, or cathedrals of unequalled richness meant to tangibly suggest an intangible power, and driven by a very tangible need to soothe anguish and despair related to life or, better, to the awareness of it, masses of people willingly give up the 'divine' seed of reason to rely on human words, however shrouded by mere pretense of divine inspiration.

A dangerous streak of credulousness constantly fed by fright and need, exploited by specialists of duplicity, and liable - as we often see in history - to be used by whomever wants to give a messianic extra-boost to arbitrary undertakings in the field of politics or war-mongering.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/27/04 19:57 | link |

Monday, July 26, 2004

Priest accused of molesting boy after dressing him up like Jesus

"By Sara Burnett - Chicago Daily Herald

A former DuPage County priest already facing sexual abuse charges molested a teenage boy after dressing him like Jesus Christ and taking his picture, an attorney for the victim said Wednesday." Read the rest here.

When a plant is infested, and keeps producing disease and perversion which are inescapably associated to its very nature, you cannot solve the situation with a sprinkle of water.

Ask yourselves why all this happens and don't look for lenient replies for this will not solve the situation.
Have the courage to face reality: there is a correlation between the diseased life-hating vision of the Catholic Church (and their sick obsession against sex) and the widespread perversion and abuse perpetrated by many of them. Think about it.

Do they really know what a human being is like? Do they show understanding and acceptance of what human being is really like in their teachings, that are far from any modern psychology and scientific notion? Does priestly celibacy make sense or is only the result of a widespread perverted queerness inherent in the Roman Catholic Church (which is different from healthy heterosexuality and/or homosexuality) and of their diseased prejudice against the material world, which, in turn, contributes to their abuses?

Don't look for easy answers to simply confirm your blindness.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/26/04 23:03 | link |
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Vectors of disease

Don't ask the faithful to confess to cleanse his sins, which for a large part aren't and you have artfully designated as such to maintain your self-conferred 'power of absolution': confess yours instead, which for the most part are indeed sins.

But in public. Recover some dignity through truth, instead of constantly taint it. Dispel the malady inherent in your belief. All is disease in you, black-gowned gloomy beings, apostles of non-life. Your belief is a seed of disease, and you, priests, are the vectors.

The signs are clear, the unctousness, your askant glances, your obvious hypocrisy melded with resentment for a lifeless life that precludes itself earthly joys - the only ones that are real - to gain a contrived eternal bliss, epitome of your narcissism of God-wannabes.

How paradoxical, pursuing a contrived eternity through a life that is a non-life, soaked with disease, falsehood, hypocrisy and crime.

You reject the tangible world, but only to have it come back under the guise of malady and perversion.

Is this your path to sanctity? Have some dignity, seek help, but not from God, from your conscience, if you have any left.










posted by JoeLondon at 07/26/04 16:36 | link |

Looking for comfort in the Catholic religion

So, some people look for comfort in the Catholic religion.

While Catholic priests look for comfort in altar boys.

(A priest even asked a boy to dress like Jesus Christ, I have read. Then he performed his 'liturgy')

How elevated. How spiritual.

Society, on the other hand, has not received enough comfort from laws: parishes and churches should be closed perpetually. Psychiatrists should have some courage and state clearly that religion is a well-structured form of psychosis (some have already said this) with pernicious effects on people.

Amen.











posted by JoeLondon at 07/26/04 13:56 | link |

In some years...

People will look at current religions as we now look at witch-doctors living in remote places on earth with their 'bizarre' rituals and 'grotesque' apparel. Sooner or later it will happen. Don't you already perceive the ridicule oozing through?

Soon your grotesque queerish apparels and gowns will become a bizarre relic of the past. And your fluted voices trying to conceal nonsense with artful solemnity will, at best, become a subject for anthropological studies or history books. Passed a given measure, the ridicule overflows and a non-return way is taken. That's how old conceptions and religion die.

It is not painful. Greek gods went through the same. So don't be scared, you pathetic self-appointed saints of contrived Gods, craftsmen of deceit only to glorify yourselves through your inventions.





posted by JoeLondon at 07/26/04 13:12 | link |

Original sin

The original sin? The ego, when consciousness and cultural determination emerged and humans became a singularity against the unity of nature. The subsequent fragmentation of reality and void originated madness and vice, as attempts - marked by despair, much like in an animal afflicted by an unhealable wound whose behaviour is driven by insuppressable pain - to recover unity and harmony. Laws, norms and rules were created to attempt to re-establish an order, but still perpetuated the wound. The perception of the original fragmentation was incorporated in myths and religions (symbolic explanations, attempts of explanation), which tried to soothe anguish and pain and recreate a unity through symbols and projections of their wishful thinking, while keeping the wound well open.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/26/04 13:00 | link |

Monday, July 12, 2004

The faithless. His lack of faith is often more sincere than the faith of others, his doubts more vibrant than their certainties, his love for truth purer than their blind conformity for the gain of an award.

To the faithful. If God exists, how miserable of him would be to award ignorance and blind conformity maintained for the sake of an ultimate bliss, and not the sincere pursuit of truth, even at the cost of no faith. What nobility is there in mere obedience for a prize? If deep inside you act not on account of your idea of right and wrong but for interest, in order to have a gain, then not only do you humiliate your human nature and the supposed seed of freewill given by God, but you become a vulgar trader. You act as if you entertained with God a mercantile relation.

Don't fool yourself with words, go beyond them and ask yourself: "Have I followed my reason, which should, indeed, be the greatest gift of God, or my stomach?"

Also, ask yourself: "Have I given more credit to human words of others, however self-proclaimed as inspired by God, or have I listened to what the supposed God-given seed of reason suggests?" If you have followed others, blindly, then you have ignored what you believe God has given you, the seed of his voice in your reason, to listen to fallible human words. You have chosen the easy way of obedience. And even more despicably so, if you have done it for a gain.

Every act done for fear or interest does not count, only those springing from true conviction do.







posted by JoeLondon at 07/12/04 01:50 | link |

Wednesday, July 07, 2004

From cnn.com:

"Portland Archdiocese declares bankruptcy

(CNN) -- The archdiocese of Portland, Oregon, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection Tuesday, just as the civil trials of two priests accused of sexual abuse were set to begin, Archbishop John Vlazny announced.

Vlazny said the filing was not an attempt to avoid responsibility for abuse allegations, but was 'the only way I can assure that other claimants can be offered fair compensation,' and to keep the archdiocese's schools and parishes operating."

Read the whole article here.

All dioceses, really centres of organized crime for the most part, should close after paying up to the last penny for their filthy crimes, and the guilty priests and their protectors should be put in jail for life. And the whole Catholic Church should be considered for what it is, an organization that creates sick people.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/07/04 08:39 | link |
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Monday, July 05, 2004

Read any book of history or mythology, learn about Zeus, or Mars, or Mercury, and rejoice at the thought that just like these Gods are now dead, soon the turn of the remaining Gods will come. They are dead already, except some people don't realize that yet.

Hey but what will the priests do in that case? Will the trade unions help? Maybe by that time they will have come to terms with their 'nature' and will find a job in some pornoshop or something.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/05/04 16:16 | link |

Religion provides an outlet for much of the idiocy and non-sense existing in our societies: people are soothed by the idea that however absurd their life is, they still have a whole eternity available to make up for it. In this, religion is an accomplice. Some have used the word "opiate".

posted by JoeLondon at 07/05/04 16:03 | link |

Isn't "the word" (Logos) supposed to matter? Until priests don't abandon their sissy vestments, their affected moves, their unnatural voices, their compulsive desire of submission to dogmas (however idiotic), their obedience which disencourages questioning, in sum the huge dimension of deceit and self-deceit in which they wallow, no word from them will ever be credible. But after a hypothetical disengagement from all the above no much would be left, because much of what religion is based upon is nothing. And compared to philosophy or psychology religion is close to zero, if only for their obtuseness in accepting challenges and changes. Conversely their pathogenous potential is quite high.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/05/04 15:15 | link |

Saturday, July 03, 2004

I can bless you for half price compared to this!

*A percentage (100%) will go into the pockets of the blesser if I perform the blessing, but hey, at least you know exactly how much I get.


It is well known that millions of people in the world still believe in magic, and feed a rich market of amulets, talismans, lucky charms and the like. From the same streak of superstition comes the idea that religious objects or blessings have a power to affect events (of course in most cases the religious objects are obtained through 'sacred money'). Ever noticed when priests accept offers from people? Or the face of collectors during masses? They always seem to have something swindler-like. Truly they exploit people, tricking them into thinking that their offerings will pay back in terms of good fortune (as it is, in the United States the money perhaps helps dioceses to pay lawyers when facing a court for abuse allegations, and consequent monetary settlements, but that's another story).

Both magic and religion are residues of far-off time when humans started primitive religions as a way to ingratiate the divinities seen behind the uncontrollable events of nature and assure their benevolence through rituals and sacrifices. Nowadays people tend to distinguish one from the other, but really they are exactly the same. What we now call religion is simply magic at an advanced evolutionary stage in which the old approach can enjoy a complex theological systems developed through the centuries. But the complexity of modern religious system does not make them less absurd than magic.

But if you guys really insist, I can bless you one by one via email, and at 50% of the price given for blessings at the above link!








posted by JoeLondon at 07/03/04 21:40 | link |

We should respect theology

Theology should once for all be given the tribute and importance it deserves. It is one of the highest forms of fantasy writing ever achieved. A never ending serial soap opera of invented beings, monsters, creatures, invisible heroes and so on, with only some vague reference to reality (as it happens with any good book) and so excellent in its imaginative, if somewhat twisted, scope!

It is so popular that thousands of people constantly celebrate the various stories by wearing special vestments and constantly referring to the language used in the books. The drawback of its success is that unfortunately some people actually think it is true, just like others identify with some cinema heroes.



posted by JoeLondon at 07/03/04 10:01 | link |

An act of onanism

That hypothetical being with whom the religious constantly rubs himself must have felt so utterly bored and deficient if he decided to create the universe. One time, a kid asked a priest why God had created the universe. The priest answered "because God is love!". The kid then asked "but how could he love if things to be loved were yet to be created?" "Well, it's a mystery!" replied the priest. Actually the priest might have been right, God might have created the world out of love: for himself. The universe might be the result of an act of onanism.


[*Incidentally, "well it's a mystery" is a really dumb reply. Religion cannot withstand even the questions of a kid.
Surely the concept of "mistery" is very handy for priests, in such a way objections and non-sense can be dodged. Interestingly, despite any idea of mystery, theologians have been imaginative enough to even come out with hierarchies of angels, demons, trinities and so on as if they were speaking of objective elements present in nature! Their fantasies are amongst the best evidence of Christian psychosis]







posted by JoeLondon at 07/03/04 09:52 | link |

Friday, July 02, 2004

The God of cockroaches

If it is hard for you to conceive how things work for the human race, just think of the most abject and disgusting species of animals that comes to your mind. Cockroaches? Hyenas? It does not make a difference. Give them intelligence and awareness. In no time, they will have churches and witch doctors to soothe the anguish of death, and celebrate indirectly their ego with a God created after their likeness.


*By becoming 'human' though, such animals would indeed lose the grace they now possess.






posted by JoeLondon at 07/02/04 22:23 | link |

The morality of the sheep

The religion of Christians has, for many, replaced conscience with obedience and turned morality into petty provident actions carried out sheepishly for the gain of an eternal award, irrespectively of any true individual questioning of right and wrong: compliance with norms is deemed the (indeed comfortable) privileged measure.

Moreover, many of these pious people, when still alive, put on a glow of piety and righteousness that, in their mind, is probably meant to anticipate visually the divine beatitude that by virtue of this masquerade they think they are closer to get.

To be sure, however, while anxiously waiting for the final judgement that is part of their mythological legacy, they enjoy a good rub of their ego, proportionally to their acting skills, the solemnity of moves, and the retching lack of originality in speech, replaced with self-complacent religious lingo.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/02/04 22:01 | link |

"Let the boys come to me!"
(queer adaptation from Luke 18:15-17)

This is not surely the purpose for it, within the Christian theology, but it makes sense (given the prevalently queer composition of the Catholic Church) that the Catholic clergy should be against premarital sex with 'sinful women' and obstinately attach a stigma of sin on it: on one hand the gullible kids can thus refer to the priests to get 'cleansed' (how paradoxical!) from their 'impure' thoughts or behaviours through confession. At the same time this allows for many priests to experience a consuming and sweet exposition to 'pretty boys' who have build up some sexual pressure. In various cases the priests offer their help (whether the boy agrees or not) in line with the classic pederastic tradition of their beloved classic studies. How spiritual!

Exaggeration? Read what the researcher Richard Sipe says in an interview:
"The history of the Catholic Church maintains a clear history of the sexual abuse of minors and other sexual violations by bishops, priests and deacons from the 4th century onward. It records the penalties—from years of fasting to beheading. In some centuries sex abuse of boys was called the "clerical vice." Proclamations from the Vatican on how to proceed in penalizing sexual abusing priests have been sent to bishops several times each century for the last thousand years. This is no ancient problem. In 1922 and 1962 clear directives were reiterated. The Vatican commanded the strictest secrecy about priest sexual abuse. Secrecy was to be preserved under the most severe penalty—excommunication reserved to the Pope himself. Only the bishop was to know. And bishops did know. And bishops kept the secret. Under severe public pressure bishops removed 700 priests from active ministry between 2002 and 2004 because of credible allegations of sexual abuse of minors. They acknowledged in their self -report that 4,392 priests had been credible accused of minor abuse since 1950. Few more than 200 offenders have stood for criminal prosecution. Often bishops have conspired to conceal the abuse until the statute of limitations have expired."

posted by JoeLondon at 07/02/04 21:52 | link |
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Thursday, July 01, 2004

Over 50% of US Catholic priests perceives a gay sub-culture in the Catholic Church

I truly believe that those, amongst the clergy, who objects the opinion (supported by evidence) that there is a massive homosexual sub-culture in the Catholic Church are in absolute bad faith. They probably think, wrongly, that sometimes a lie is justified, if it is to 'protect' the image of the Church. Loyalty to them counts more than truth, which for any religion is an utter shame.

According to a
study, over 50% of US Catholic priests perceives the presence of a gay subculture in their diocese or religious institute, and 19% states that it clearly exists. This is only one of the numerous studies that confirm what I have often pointed out in my posts.

The evidence of a prevalent gay presence amongst the Catholic Clergy floods from everywhere (books, studies, articles, courts, and is even proved by surveys among the clergy) and is massive, as it is massive the evidence (even from Catholic sources) supporting the vast abuse holocaust of young boys predated sexually by 'celibate' perverted priests, sexually immature and queers, who, however, are nothing but the consequential result of the unnatural, dissociated, psychotic, sexophobic teachings of the Catholic Church. And in the light of some data I have read, and on the nature of these crimes, I think much remains unrevealed, protected by priestly secrecy!

And what is the shameful and hypocritical reaction of the Catholic Church? Like any criminal would, they deny the facts. Listen to what Cardinal Ratzinger said in 2002: "I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower... In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type.". 1%??? what a joke! Of course Ratzinger's "personal opinions" are supposed to count more than proved facts! This type of denial is common amongst criminals and arrogant 'faith-oriented' people: the latter privilege their 'sects' obsessively, denying facts. But people know better than this and see what reality is like.

Utter shame! Instead of "piously" confess your sins to your (likely) accomplices or supporting fellow-queers, you dark-gowned perverts and abusers should leave the church, seek treatment and acquire some dignity through truth.

posted by JoeLondon at 07/01/04 05:04 | link |
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Interesting readings

A very interesting reading. The text of the speech by Richard Sipe at the SNAP Conference (June 12 2004).
You can read it here.


Here you can read an interview with Richard Sipe. A passage of it:

“In what form I don’t know, but in 10 years there’ll be a reformation a reformation in the sense that fundamental issues of human sexuality will have to be brought to the fore.

“In terms of human sexuality, the church is at a pre-Copernican stage of understanding” -- a reference to 15th century Catholic priest and astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus, who resurrected, despite church opposition, the scientific theory of the sun rather than the Earth as the center of the solar system

“The church has not come to understand the nature of sex,” he said. “And it’s not easily understood -- we have to struggle along with the neurological, the genetic, the psychological, the evolutionary basis of it.”

posted by JoeLondon at 07/01/04 03:38 | link |
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